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Patricia Cameron's avatar

Hi. Interesting article. The notion that there are styles of learning and approaches to schooling uniquely suited to girls or to boys is demonstrably incorrect. There is no "one size fits all" educational modality that will suit people based on their "assigned at birth" sex. Also if Reeves claims that schooling has always been designed to better suit "girls" than "boys," and "has always been so," he has clearly done little to no research into the history of education. For millennia, women were denied education altogether. For centuries, their educational opportunities have been meagre at best. Now that boys are falling behind in education, some apologists are trying to blame this on the style of education rather than much more important influences that are messing up our sons. What social influences are most powerful in the lives of boys and young men? What examples are being put before them on what it is to be a successful, mature, responsible adult? Further, education itself is under fire and crumbling. Tuitions and cost of post-secondary have been jacked up to the point where someone could graduate as, for example, a veterinarian and not earn enough to pay off education debt for decades. Humanities and arts education, crucial to development of cultural literacy and development of empathy and critical thinking skills and creativity, have been decimated. NOTE: most of the creative, influential thinkers of the past were grounded in the arts, humanities, classics. Young men / boys may have difficulty with longer term focus, self-regulation if they are steeped in gaming, pornography, "Marvel Universe" fantasies of violent heroes with super powers, casual misogyny, and "influencers" (e.g. Andrew Tate), and the runaway insanity of gun culture. Narrowing the foundation of their success/failure to schooling seems naive and the notion that this culture's approach to education is designed to suit girls is utter nonsense.

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M. E. Rothwell's avatar

Couple of anecdotal points from a (a) tutor and (b) man.

1. I have definitely seen the difference in organisation/sense of responsibility between my male and female students, particularly once they start hitting puberty. There is no less organised person than a 15 year old boy. I have one student who turns up without a pen every single lesson. Every. Single. Lesson. You would think that, after 2.5 years of this, he would learn that he needs a pen. He hasn't. He doesn't even think of it!

2. I like Reeve's solution to this of holding boys back a school year. Seems like it would benefit the boys without holding the girls back. Any outliers among the boys can be sent ahead a year as often happens now.

3. Seeing a lot of anger in the other comments here about how other groups were held back from educational opportunities for a long time and how we shouldn't start changing the system now because its seen as not working for boys. While I can certainly understand where it's coming from, I don't think it's really practical to let those sentiments guide policy. If we want equality of opportunity for all groups then we should try to create that, regardless of past injustices. I completely agree that we haven't lived up to this ideal in the past, or ever, but that doesn't mean it shouldn't be the guiding ideal. Also, if I understand Reeves properly, boys are performing worse than girls in all ethnicities/races, so its damaging other minorities groups too.

4. On difference in outcomes beyond school, I suspect that a lot of the people who make it to the top are even more homogenous than we commonly think. At first glance, one can look at top positions in government/corporations and see mostly men, yes. But even that is a tiny subsection of all men. I think those positions select for very specific personalities. People who probably score really highly on things like disagreeableness and conscientiousness and the ego required to go for those positions. This means you're looking at the top few percent on the distribution and there just tend to be more men on that side of the graph. This is not to say there isn't gatekeeping, or prejudice, or any other obstacles slowing women down, just that the system is not necessarily geared towards men, per se, but to a very particular group of people, within which men tend to be in the majority.

5. The traits I mentioned in the point (4.) are not necessarily 'good' things. Having the willingness to work 60 hour work weeks for decades, the willingness to walk over others to advance oneself, or having the ego required to think that it should be you in charge, might make one a good CEO or adept on the campaign trail, but it doesn't guarantee one a contented, fulfilled life. Seems almost trite to say this but climbing the corporate ladder might bring you more money, a larger house, fancier dinners, but it doesn't bring happiness by itself. In fact, I suspect a lot of those traits actually make that harder because you can't stop trying to climb. I imagine those people are never sated and all always looking for more status, wealth, prestige and so on.

I don't want to put words in your mouth, Rae, but from your previous posts it seems like you realised you were chasing that path yourself, to an extent. Then you realised it wasn't for you, it's basically a bullshit life, so you stopped. My guess would be most people, both men and women, have the same realisation and stop trying to chase the bullshit. Because really, how many people lie on their deathbeds and think, "I wish I had made that extra promotion."

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